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This looks suspiciously similar to the DAWEI style press, but uses Badge-A-Minit sizes.  It has not been evaluated, but some reviewers note that the Badge-A-Matic I is more reliable (and by extension more reliable than other DAWEI presses).
 
This looks suspiciously similar to the DAWEI style press, but uses Badge-A-Minit sizes.  It has not been evaluated, but some reviewers note that the Badge-A-Matic I is more reliable (and by extension more reliable than other DAWEI presses).
  
It is not yet known if there are DAWEI equivalent dies that can be used with Badge-A-Minit supplies.  The Badge-A-Minit one is insanely overpriced
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It is not yet known if there are DAWEI equivalent dies that can be used with Badge-A-Minit supplies.  The Badge-A-Minit one is insanely overpriced.
  
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====See Also====
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*[https://peoplepowerpress.org/blogs/news/5841988-the-pros-and-cons-of-multiple-interchangeable-die-machines The Pro's and Cons of Multiple/Interchangeable Die Machines ]
  
 
===DAWEI===
 
===DAWEI===
DAWEI style equipment appears to be sold to a number of manufacturers that then produce nearly identical equipment.  These are generally simelar looking and completely interchangeable.  Also, only metric diameters are supported -- but it's a very wide range.  They have a cut line that is further out from the bleed line than is typical of other equipment sources.
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DAWEI style equipment appears to be sold to a number of manufacturers that then produce nearly identical equipment.  These are generally similar looking and completely interchangeable.  Also, only metric diameters are supported -- but it's a very wide range.  They have a cut line that is further out from the bleed line than is typical of other equipment sources.
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At least one source seems to suggest using 57mm dies with Badge-A-Minit supplies, but this is completely untested.
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====See Also====
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*[https://peoplepowerpress.org/blogs/news/5841988-the-pros-and-cons-of-multiple-interchangeable-die-machines The Pro's and Cons of Multiple/Interchangeable Die Machines ]
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*[https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016W3EMH0 25mm press sold by OrangeA] -- two of us have this one
  
 
===Dr Don's Buttons===
 
===Dr Don's Buttons===
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For 2.375 inch, use the cutter for 58mm, even though 58mm is smaller than 2.375 inch.
 
For 2.375 inch, use the cutter for 58mm, even though 58mm is smaller than 2.375 inch.
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====See Also====
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*[https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KZTMS28 Amazon link] for 2.375 compatible diameter
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*[https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01KZTMS1Y Amazon link] for diameter for 25mm buttons
  
  
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====Badge Parts, Incorporated====
 
====Badge Parts, Incorporated====
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Good news: possibly the least expensive supplies on the market.
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Other news: The quality is very unreliable.  Not recommended.
  
 
====DAWEI====
 
====DAWEI====
 
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The only known set of DAWEI-branded supplies to have been used by us (25mm) have a serious design flaw with the pin that results in a high scrap rate unless you can figure out a way to align it correctly in a meaningfully short span of time.  Avoid.
  
 
====Dr Don's Buttons====
 
====Dr Don's Buttons====
 
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Currently the main source used by [[James Gholston]] for 2.375 inch supplies.
  
 
====Tecre====
 
====Tecre====
This is possibly the best quality source available.
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This is possibly the best quality source available.  Unfortunately, it doesn't work well with the Badge-A-Matic II, giving a scrap rate. between 50% and nearly 100%.  Should work fine with the Badge-A-Matic I with a slightly altered order of actions: crimp the circle, cover and top _before_ putting the back into the bottom die.
  
  
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DAWEI branded supplies with metal backs and flat metal pins are NOT recommended, as it can be difficult to get the in to align correctly when pressing.  There is at least one other supplier of meta-backed 25mm supplies, and at least one source of plastic-backed supplies is known to be reliable.  
 
DAWEI branded supplies with metal backs and flat metal pins are NOT recommended, as it can be difficult to get the in to align correctly when pressing.  There is at least one other supplier of meta-backed 25mm supplies, and at least one source of plastic-backed supplies is known to be reliable.  
  
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**[https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N0O762Z/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 DAWEI 25mm] -- Get something that isn't this.
  
 
====Other Sizes====
 
====Other Sizes====
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*'''2.875 inch'''
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*'''Badge-A-Minit "3 inch"'''
This is Badge-A-Minit's 3 inch.  It is difficult to find this size from vendors other than Badge-A-Minit.
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This is Badge-A-Minit's 3 inch.  It is difficult to find this size from vendors other than Badge-A-Minit.  There is also conflicting information about its actual diameter.  If an actual diameter can be confirmed and compatible supplies other than Badge-A-Minit's overpriced offerings found, this may become a practical size to use with the Badge-A-Matic I.
  
 
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Revision as of 06:42, 10 August 2017

What have we learned so far about buttonmaking?

Button Presses

Badge-A-Minit Hand Press

This is a break-prone nightmare, and despite its very low initial price is a bad investment. Button quality is poor and it's a not small RSI risk.

Its one advantage is that it does both 2.375 inch and Badge-A-Minit's smaller diameter. It doesn't do 2.875 inch, however.


Badge-A-Minit Bench Press

Despite covering the full range of Badge-A-Minit's supported diameters, this is the worst of everything: all the fragility of the hand press and all of the cost of a real button press. AVOID.


Badge-A-Matic I

When purchased used, this can be a reasonably cost-effective and reliable button press. Variants are available in multiple sizes, but only the non-standard sizes introduced by Badge-A-Minit. They can also be improved by adding washers and using dry lubricant (Liquid Wrench, et al -- note that this is fluorine based and should not be sprayed indoors).


Badge-A-Matic II

This is probably the most cost-effective electric button press on the market, especially if purchased used. It is only available for 2.375 inch button supplies. Caveat: does not work reliably with Tecre supplies.


Badge-A-Matic Combo

This looks suspiciously similar to the DAWEI style press, but uses Badge-A-Minit sizes. It has not been evaluated, but some reviewers note that the Badge-A-Matic I is more reliable (and by extension more reliable than other DAWEI presses).

It is not yet known if there are DAWEI equivalent dies that can be used with Badge-A-Minit supplies. The Badge-A-Minit one is insanely overpriced.

See Also

DAWEI

DAWEI style equipment appears to be sold to a number of manufacturers that then produce nearly identical equipment. These are generally similar looking and completely interchangeable. Also, only metric diameters are supported -- but it's a very wide range. They have a cut line that is further out from the bleed line than is typical of other equipment sources.

At least one source seems to suggest using 57mm dies with Badge-A-Minit supplies, but this is completely untested.

See Also

Dr Don's Buttons

Tecre

In addition to some amazingly expensive electrical presses, Tecre makes some manual presses in a wide selection of US sizes, including 2.375 inch for use with Badge-A-Minit compatible supplies.


Circle Cutters and Punches

Badge-A-Minit

Cut-A-Circle is only about $30 and has inexpensive replacement blades. Unfortunately, it gets painful to use after awhile and the blades wear out.

Cut-A-Circle II is electric. They can be inexpensive to buy used, but do not have open-ended lifespans. If you want to go this route it may be best to buy a new one directly from Badge-A-Minit to ensure that you can avail of the lifetime warranty. You will probably need it. Also, be sure to unplug when not in use as it continues to draw power and reduce its life expectancy when plugged in.

The

DAWEI

Unlike other things labelled DAWEI in this article, these have only been seen with DAWEI labelling.

This is possibly the best way to cut circles: it's fast, easy, and can be quite accurate. Note that the sizes on these punches correspond to DAWEI-style diameters.

For 2.375 inch, use the cutter for 58mm, even though 58mm is smaller than 2.375 inch.

See Also


Button Supplies

Manufacturers

This list is known to be incomplete.

Badge-A-Minit

Only available in Badge-A-Minit sizes and insanely overpriced. Not recommended. You can get 2.375 inch at a minimum from several other sources to use with Badge-A-Minit equipment.

Badge Parts, Incorporated

Good news: possibly the least expensive supplies on the market.

Other news: The quality is very unreliable. Not recommended.

DAWEI

The only known set of DAWEI-branded supplies to have been used by us (25mm) have a serious design flaw with the pin that results in a high scrap rate unless you can figure out a way to align it correctly in a meaningfully short span of time. Avoid.

Dr Don's Buttons

Currently the main source used by James Gholston for 2.375 inch supplies.

Tecre

This is possibly the best quality source available. Unfortunately, it doesn't work well with the Badge-A-Matic II, giving a scrap rate. between 50% and nearly 100%. Should work fine with the Badge-A-Matic I with a slightly altered order of actions: crimp the circle, cover and top _before_ putting the back into the bottom die.


Sizes

Sizes Used So Far by the Radical Caucus

  • 2.375 Inch
  • 25mm

DAWEI style equipment may have a larger cut diameter than other styles, so different circle cutting equipment may be necessary if you have a 25mm press that isn't quite one of these.

DAWEI branded supplies with metal backs and flat metal pins are NOT recommended, as it can be difficult to get the in to align correctly when pressing. There is at least one other supplier of meta-backed 25mm supplies, and at least one source of plastic-backed supplies is known to be reliable.

Other Sizes

This list is incomplete.

  • 1 inch

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